Curse

Geden Monk · Jan 11, 2008, 03:12 PM // 15:12

Well the argument for countering this build is foolish. You cant cast spells on shadow form, so enchantment removal is out of the question. I have felt that Anet has done a good job at editing skills that tip the balance of guild wars. Well i sure wish they would find some way to trim shadow form so decent groups dont waste more time on people that run this junk. Its just plain cheap. Anyone that runs the build doesnt care about how much time they spend in one match, but for people like me who have only a limited time to play guild wars, i would like to actually play. Yes a group can just resign, but if your having to run with a pug group, chances are someone in the group feels that you will be able to beat them...and doesnt resign. I dont post because i QQ about 1 fame. I only feel this is a HUGE annoyance to people that play HA on a regular basis. PLEASE ANET- NERF SHADOW FORM :-)

Phe Belladona · Jan 11, 2008, 04:19 PM // 16:19

*searches for compassion for thumperway* *doesnt find any*

if you didnt run such a scrubtastic build you could have saved yourself a lot of bother, cry more.

Feathermoore Rep · Jan 11, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Are you all that ignorant that you take one look at the bar I happen to have been running and go "omg sway?!!? l2p scrub!"?

Crying no i'm not. I'm just voicing my opinion on how UNFUNNY running shadowform in HA is. Call it QQing if you want, but if no one QQ'd things would never change.

This has nothing to do with the builds ability to counter. Or if a necro was caring well of the profane or any of that shit. I'm not crying about 1 fame. If I had really cared i would have quit less then 10 minutes into the match.
But i had time to kill. I wasn't going to do anything else. And it pissed me off- yes you heard me it pissed me off. Of course it did why wouldnt it-And i wasn't going to let someone else deal with Sissy's sh!tty idea to run Shadowform in HA.

Get over the fact that I decided to run sway, and try coming up with a decent response.

Lorekeeper · Jan 11, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

the point is. If you decided to run a good build you wouldnt have put yourself into a position to get frustrated with that assassin build. And if you really found it that ''unfunny'' you could have saved yourself alot of bother by simply leaving the game and forming up again.

The only reason you are here posting about your annoyance at the ''unfunny'' build is because you struggled for so long to beat it. You put yourself into the position to struggle and therefore you are the source of your own annoyance.

now please stop calling people ignorant and take a long hard look at yourself instead.

like someone already said to you

live by the gimmick die by the gimmick...

there really isnt anything more to say, your calls for nerfs are unjustified, your attempt to attract any amount of sympathy has failed... and the more you refuse to take on board the very simple message that people have been giving you in the last 3 pages the more probable you are going to get your own thread locked and it truly will become just one of those QQ about shadowform threads. I swear there was one not too long ago anyway...

Killed u man · Jan 11, 2008, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by Lorekeeper

You put yourself into the position to struggle and therefore you are the source of your own annoyance

So if someone on the street says you should give him 5 dollars, or he will punch you in the face, you will give him the 5 dollars, since it ONLY is 5 dollars?

The point here is not the "1fame" he loses, the point is that there is no point (ironicly

) in running the "shadow form" build but to annoy people. There is no fun in it (Well,I actually found someone who enjoys playing thumper? Braindead ftw?), no real fun atleast, so I don't see why you should even "reward" them by resigning...

I too faced this build, in burial tough, so they already got some fame, and I refused to resign.

No offence, (And I realize this within context of a game) but resigning would be plain sad, not to say the "pussy" kinda way to do it. Now, Don't get me wrong, I am the last person in real life to call someone a "pussy" if he tries to escape a fight, but simply "resigning" because these guys abuse a lack in Anet's common sense (Or Izzy's anyways, Perma Shadow Form, overpowered/pointless much?) is pathetic, and I refuse to reward these people by giving them fame, even if it's just1...

Chicken Ftw · Jan 11, 2008, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

No offence, (And I realize this within context of a game) but resigning would be plain sad, not to say the "pussy" kinda way to do it. Now, Don't get me wrong, I am the last person in real life to call someone a "pussy" if he tries to escape a fight, but simply "resigning" because these guys abuse a lack in Anet's common sense (Or Izzy's anyways, Perma Shadow Form, overpowered/pointless much?) is pathetic, and I refuse to reward these people by giving them fame, even if it's just1...

Why would it be sad? If you have no counters, you're probably running a gimmick. If you're running a gimmick, you're probably fame farming. If you're fame farming, it makes no sense to stay in a fight for an hour, when you could've gained so much more fame by leaving, reforming and starting again. Even if you're not farming fame, it's not enjoyable to play against, so why would you annoy yourself? The point of a game is to have fun, not to deny scrubs 1 fame. It's more sad that you're willing to devote an hour or more of your life to denying someone a few fame than it is for someone to "reward" them by leaving, tbh.

xhappy feetx · Jan 11, 2008, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

sissy girl is strong and brave

Really? I was under the impression she needed the help on cute and strong guys on vent, as long as they weren't pervs.... who knew ^^

Kyp Jade · Jan 11, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Why would it be sad? If you have no counters, blah blah blah

You dont need counters to beat shadowform sins, just coordination. In RA i dont expect anyone to have the coordination to get to a sin. in HA where players use vent its another ballpark.

Since your build already had the direct counters to the skill, you should QQ less since you didnt even need to say anything, just cast OoA or well of profane and then /wave at the dead sins.

ShadowsRequiem · Jan 11, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Lol one of the more reasons to not play HA

Though I would have just resigned right after you found out there were 3 shadow form sins.

You know you could prolly do like 5 underworlds(20 mins a game ARGH! still shorter then yours! More like 20 games in that time) easy instead of sitting in that game for over an hour.

1 fame FTW?

Lorekeeper · Jan 11, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Why would it be sad? If you have no counters, you're probably running a gimmick. If you're running a gimmick, you're probably fame farming. If you're fame farming, it makes no sense to stay in a fight for an hour, when you could've gained so much more fame by leaving, reforming and starting again. Even if you're not farming fame, it's not enjoyable to play against, so why would you annoy yourself? The point of a game is to have fun, not to deny scrubs 1 fame. It's more sad that you're willing to devote an hour or more of your life to denying someone a few fame than it is for someone to "reward" them by leaving, tbh.

Exactly. Very well said. I honestly dont know what more can be said about the issue...

Killed u man · Jan 11, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Why would it be sad? If you have no counters, you're probably running a gimmick. If you're running a gimmick, you're probably fame farming. If you're fame farming, it makes no sense to stay in a fight for an hour, when you could've gained so much more fame by leaving, reforming and starting again. Even if you're not farming fame, it's not enjoyable to play against, so why would you annoy yourself? The point of a game is to have fun, not to deny scrubs 1 fame. It's more sad that you're willing to devote an hour or more of your life to denying someone a few fame than it is for someone to "reward" them by leaving, tbh.

Sigh, it's NOT about the goddamn fame! I already got 22K of those, it's about the principle (http://www.rapidreading.co.uk/)

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just cast OoA or well of profane and then /wave at the dead sins.

Are these the counters you guys are talking about? Yeah, nice joke

May I point out that there BARELY is any non-lame builds out there. Before you start throwing around what's lame and what-not, might as well get personal back at ya (Seeing how you guys love to call anything "lame"), didn't I catch U running dual migraine rcently Lorekeeper? Is that concider non lame? If so, by all means, keep on calling me lame (Yes, I know, You didn't do it explicitly, but we ALL realize you meant to), because it's sooo hard to camp a monk... (Or spam Necro hexes or cripslash on a warrior) and [Luck], well I have yet to see them holding Non-dead hours...

WHY is it you guys ALWAYS have to go off-topic by calling someone lame? The point here is NOT if you have counters or not, the point is NOT if you run lame builds or not, the point is that these guys are simply playing to annoy people, and it needs to be stopped... (I don't even care anymore really, seeing how HA is dying)

Popo · Jan 11, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Let's add a grief timer because someone has obsessive compulsive disorder compelling them not to resign after 1 hour 30 minutes for one fame.

Congrats, in an attempt to make fun of someone else you just explained yourself perfectly.

This thread is riddled with hypocrisy. Saying he (or she) is crying about Shadow Form then go on crying about thumpers. Go take your childish arguments elsewhere. Grief builds deserve no support no matter how easy they are to counter.

And in agreement with the post before mine, many of the posts in this thread (and I use that term loosely because many are just blatant flames) have nothing to do with the topic at hand. They are simply distraction techniques put in place due to a lack of rational arguments.

sterbenx2 · Jan 11, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

all these ppl who point fingers all call you a noob and you should have known, prepared, blah blah blah. fact is simple. Elitist mindset and rank are what kills PvP. The so-called "lame" builds are a result of players just trying to find any way they possibly can to win.

Perma SF should not be allowed because it takes away from the spirit of the competition. But then, how many other lame builds are there that cause annoyances in PvP? A player build for survival and running will have the same reaction.

Next time /resign and don't come to the forums to alert people to it. especially the PvP forums. No matter what you say, they'll say you're wrong.
Tip about forums. NEVER EVER show your skill set, you'll get every flame in the world for it from people who run gimmick builds and THINK they're leet.

Lorekeeper · Jan 11, 2008, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Sigh, it's NOT about the goddamn fame! I already got 22K of those, it's about the principle (http://www.rapidreading.co.uk/)

Are these the counters you guys are talking about? Yeah, nice joke

May I point out that there BARELY is any non-lame builds out there. Before you start throwing around what's lame and what-not, might as well get personal back at ya (Seeing how you guys love to call anything "lame"), didn't I catch U running dual migraine rcently Lorekeeper? Is that concider non lame? If so, by all means, keep on calling me lame (Yes, I know, You didn't do it explicitly, but we ALL realize you meant to), because it's sooo hard to camp a monk... (Or spam Necro hexes or cripslash on a warrior) and [Luck], well I have yet to see them holding Non-dead hours...

WHY is it you guys ALWAYS have to go off-topic by calling someone lame? The point here is NOT if you have counters or not, the point is NOT if you run lame builds or not, the point is that these guys are simply playing to annoy people, and it needs to be stopped... (I don't even care anymore really, seeing how HA is dying)

you are quite the blight on these forums you know that? I directed no comments towards you in this thread yet you take cause to defend what most people would think is the undefendable (someone running a gimmick build complaining that they cant beat another gimmick build). Then you accuse me of running something lame?????

Since when is a dual migraine hex build considered lame? Because it exploits the many weaknesses in the current meta? I call that smart meta sense personally... its not like you see absolutely trashy teams being able to run it... in fact for the vast majority of the time only the best teams in HA actually do really well with it. I dont care if all it takes for a migraine mesmer to shutdown a monk is to camp it and interrupt heals... i dont care if the necro just has to cast anti melee hate on the enemy frontlines... thats the nature of hex builds... their impact is based on their ability to stick... you cant make hexes promote active play because thats just how they work... if the meta is particularly full of melee builds like zergway and rao thumpers... and people are carrying light hex removals... im suprised more people arent running hexes... if it really was ''lame'' then surely the majority of HAers who clearly gravitat towards ''lame'' builds would be running it everywhere... simple matter is hex builds arent as brainless as you would love to suggest. At least for the majority of HA players... its really out of their depth, otherwise im pretty damn sure theyd be running it too.

You really need to think things through before you get typing on that keyboard of yours... its almost as if every post you make is either to call other people noob, tell people how much fame you got, or to argue for the sake of arguing no matter whether you actually have a good point to make or not.

on topic

you are missing the point entirely which really is no suprise YET AGAIN. The OP got so frustrated at the grief build... but in all honesty noone should be suprised that the build caused him so much grief considering the build he was running. ANY decent team running any sort of balanced build would have had an interrupt that was capable of dealing with the shadowform... and as some people pointed out... you dont even need any hard counters for the build. Nor do you even HAVE to stay in the match to beat it... you give them more satisfaction by wasting your own time trying to kill them than by resigning out the instant you see what they are trying to do and giving them the victory.

And as some people pointed out, if you are running a build like spiritway its not like your gaming philosophy is on such a high level in the first place... so talking about the principle of not resigning to grief teams is pointless... youre running a fame farming build... plain and simple... and you got a nice taste of your own gimmick based medicine by coming across players even MORE lame than yourself (notice i still am not talking about you Killed U Man but judging from your ability to grasp arguments i can forgive you if you think i am)... so like someone already said.

live by the gimmick die by the gimmick

if you dont like that then stop running gimmicks and start to run builds that require 8 decent players and then when you come here and whine about shadowform sins you might get a bit more sympathy from other posters.

But if you are just one of the many lame... brainless buttonmashers running spiritway and you have the audacity and delusional sense to come to the forums and complain about another equally annoying gimmick build...

seriously just gtfo.

and as a side note... if i want to run something ridiculously griefing... like a runner build or build full of recall chaining assassins... or healing hands mending wammos... or stoneflesh earth eles... i will... and if your build is so inflexible that you cannot deal with me than sucks to be you... i wouldnt be running the build to get fame... id be running it to see you get mad in local chat... to see you QQ on forums... that would be my reward for running something like that and if i am having a particularly bad day then i just might do it!

its your fault if you allow yourself to be in the situation to get annoyed by these players and these builds... its got nothing to do with Anet.

grow up and deal with it in a mature way... stop asking mummy and daddy to magic things away... you got to learn how to deal with things yourself sooner or later.

/end rant

moko · Jan 11, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

please, stop with the whining threads...

if you want to discuss shadowform PROPERLY, please do so in the skill discussion sub forum.

closed.

also, some of you really need to cut the trolling.

EDIT vv merged something in by request.

elektra_lucia · Jan 11, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Hopefully covering all the thread with a degree of seriousness (which is less than this thread deserves).

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Well the argument for countering this build is foolish. You cant cast spells on shadow form, so enchantment removal is out of the question.

I had to quote this because I want to cleanse people of some ignorance... Not all enchant removal is spells. Some are touch skills, not to mention - you can interrupt with signets...

Moving on with the thread...

As I have already made it clear on how to remove, interrupt shadow form... Signets, wells, touch skills, etc etc! The problem here is how you approach a situation... So the person who made the thread plays spiritway. If he asks himself why, it's because he doesn't want to spend time and effort into running a balance which could fail... Is he looking into the long term effect? The good players not wanting to play with him when he gets rank8 and wants rank9?

To ANYONE who thinks that shadow form sins take button mashing, go try it. You have limited energy, and if you do not cast PERFECT Timing, you won't echo correctly and you'll lose shadow form. I know myself that Sissy has played for a top team. When I say top, I don't mean in the top twenty. I mean, in the TOP.

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This thread is riddled with hypocrisy. Saying he (or she) is crying about Shadow Form then go on crying about thumpers.

Thread whining. People post replying not whining. Thread whining. People post replying not whining. Thread whining. People post replying not whining.

I did NOT make a thread crying about thumpers. I did not say, hey let's nerf shadowform and make the skill even worse (and really it's a shit skill) for GVG, TA, RA, PVE (and you have to think of PVE'rs when you nerf a skill) just because I run a dated, nerfed, stupid build.

When I think of a balance, what do I want? Snares, enchant removal, perhaps a profane (I find it really nice myself), song of concentration, interrupts, damage, lack of defence (I personally like low defence builds). Granted spirit way has some of this but to me, running spiritway is no different than running a load of mending wammos and complaining they couldn't kill a team with a monk. You know? Everything is relative... You play spirit way because it's easy, simple, etc but then get frustrated when it goes wrong?

I'm not CRYING that thumpers take no skill, and n/rt healers are crap. I'm not MAKING a thread CRYING. So you can't call it hypocritical. Well, you can, but you'd make yourself look very dumb.

To the person who made the thread, you wanted maximum fame out of little effort and you wasted 1 hour thirty for one fame. You didn't win. You didn't win crap. You play a build to win matches before HoH, and then take 1 hour 30 to do so. Also, the shadow form sin build, we've been trying to make it such that we can win halls too. With a spike.

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Sigh, it's NOT about the goddamn fame! I already got 22K of those, it's about the principle

The principle? The principle to me is like this. Running 8 fire eles without song, snares or anything, to win maps before HoH, and then having a UW match lasting 1 hour 30 minutes because you didn't want to spend 30 minutes making a decent build. Of course this is about fame... He's running spiritway because he doesn't want to lose with balance. How is it NOT about fame?

Let me guess, OoA is so entertaining to play?

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Are these the counters you guys are talking about? Yeah, nice joke May I point out that there BARELY is any non-lame builds out there. Before you start throwing around what's lame and what-not, might as well get personal back at ya (Seeing how you guys love to call anything "lame"), didn't I catch U running dual migraine rcently Lorekeeper? Is that concider non lame? If so, by all means, keep on calling me lame (Yes, I know, You didn't do it explicitly, but we ALL realize you meant to), because it's sooo hard to camp a monk... (Or spam Necro hexes or cripslash on a warrior) and [Luck], well I have yet to see them holding Non-dead hours...

Did he make a thread crying about thumpers?

. As for migraine, eh. They have interrupts on the bar usually, more than spirit way has. No?

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WHY is it you guys ALWAYS have to go off-topic by calling someone lame? The point here is NOT if you have counters or not, the point is NOT if you run lame builds or not, the point is that these guys are simply playing to annoy people, and it needs to be stopped...

Eh. We play to win too... We also play for fun, and you know... Making a pug and having someone like you join and absolutely suck isn't much fun. You know?

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Really? I was under the impression she needed the help on cute and strong guys on vent, as long as they weren't pervs.... who knew ^^

Sissy girl doesn't use vent.

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So if someone on the street says you should give him 5 dollars, or he will punch you in the face, you will give him the 5 dollars, since it ONLY is 5 dollars?

The point here is not the "1fame" he loses, the point is that there is no point (ironicly ) in running the "shadow form" build but to annoy people.

Firstly, we don't run shadow form just to annoy people. Secondly, the point is about the one fame... He explained it earlier, did not want to run other builds...

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No offence, (And I realize this within context of a game) but resigning would be plain sad, not to say the "pussy" kinda way to do it. Now, Don't get me wrong, I am the last person in real life to call someone a "pussy" if he tries to escape a fight, but simply "resigning" because these guys abuse a lack in Anet's common sense (Or Izzy's anyways, Perma Shadow Form, overpowered/pointless much?) is pathetic, and I refuse to reward these people by giving them fame, even if it's just1...

It's certainly less over powered than spirit way.

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If I had really cared i would have quit less then 10 minutes into the match.
But i had time to kill. I wasn't going to do anything else. And it pissed me off- yes you heard me it pissed me off. Of course it did why wouldnt it-And i wasn't going to let someone else deal with Sissy's sh!tty idea to run Shadowform in HA.

Contradiction... You have to care to get pissed off...